Mary Ostler » Holbein http://www.maryostler.com Elizabethan Wood Butcher & Builder of Things Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:15:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 en hourly 1 Turkish Carpet Project v1.2 http://www.maryostler.com/2010/01/turkish-carpet-project-v1-2/ http://www.maryostler.com/2010/01/turkish-carpet-project-v1-2/#comments Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:05:31 +0000 DirtyMary http://www.maryostler.com/?p=1679 *** Yoinked from my other blog ***

I tried out another sample for the Turkish carpet project.  This time I tried using the Persian knot. It goes faster than the Turkish knot, but it doesn’t tighten up the same way. In fact it seems really loose until you weave the thread between the rows.  I think the Turkish knot leaves a more square look to the final product, and the ambassador painting has a grid feeling about it.

I also chose to do a full element from the holbien rug. This way I can roughly compare size to the original painting. From knuckle to finger tip is approx. half of the circular element, which is just about the same size as

The thing I also learned from the larger sample, was just how important the tension especially at the sides of the warp is. I tightened up the left side way to much. I didn’t really see the problam til I was a fair way in. I think part of the problem was the new loom I made for the sample. The cropped image is from the highest DPI image I could find, and cropping and zooming elements has shown a darker color, but most surely not black. I havent seen mention of charcoal colors or dark greys, so I am wondering if its a blue that has just changed color over time. I don’t know much about paint colors and stuff ,so more stuff to research.

It is basically two sticks with some readi-thread at each end. This way when I stringed the loom I kept an even thread EPI, much like a reed on a normal loom does.

I also found a secondary image painted by Holbein, that has a carpet that is very similar in style to the ambassador carpet. It gives some clues for the edging around the center medallion.

Now I have to figure out what the center medallion will look like. I have found a data base of pre-1600 carpets in art, and it is giving me some ideas, but still not happy.

I also would kill to find an image of pre-1600 carpet weavers in art. I want to make an accurate loom if I can, but its all specualtion at this point.

Also have to play around with types of wool, and dyes used in turkey to try to duplicate the colors in Holbeins paintings.

More research

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The first sample had a knot grouping of  14×6 knots per inch. That produces a rectangular pattern.

After a suggestion from myss_minx on replacing the weft crochet threads with fine thread, and spreading the warp threads slightly,  I have gotten a pattern of 12×9 knots per inch. Still not completely happy. Would like to get the row count higher. Thinking of unraveling the three ply and using two ply to see what effect that has.

Made a quick cartoon of some of the patterns on Holbein’s painting Ambassadors.

My sample is copied somewhat from the corner insert latice section.

12×9 back saide

Front side. The individual pixels are just about square.

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So I have a project itching away at the old brain. I have recently been staring alot at Holbein Turkish Carpets. Maybe its the colors black, orange red, and white that make me think….gawd it would be cool to try and make one of those. I started looking into it too see what was involved. It looks simple enough, just long and tedious….

So before I went all crazy on this new subject, I thought I would try my hand at making a small sample.  This is at  roughly 14 knot / inch. The ones in the V&A museum average between 9.5 – 16 knots / inch. I used the Turkish style symmetrical knot as opposed to the Persian asymmetrical knot. The Persian knot supposedly  makes a nicer finished rug. I used super cheap  Acrylic wool for the test.

Much to think about. This would be an ambitious project even for a small prayer mat.  What kind of wool, dyes that were used, style of loom used in turkey in the 16th century, Design elements, cartoon,  yadda, yadda, yadda.


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The previous picture had a nap of ~1.5-2cm. This is after I took a razor to it, and got it down to ~.5-1 cm. The pattern is a little more defined. Going to try to use my dog shears to get it all down to ~.25cm.

I also have to figure out why the rows are so far apart. The knots across are good, but the spacing between the rows needs a alot to be desired.

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